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  Stanley Miller

  12 months ago

  Phil didn't win the lottery this time, nor do millions of other hopefuls who seek their fame and fortune in professional sports or Hollywood. There really is no difference for the entrepreneur. But if one is persistent he/she will find their place in the industry and will succeed - albeit at the average rate of return. Phil didn't fail. He placed a bet on the long-shot and the pony didn't come in. He gambled and he lost. That's not failure. Nothing he could have done would have changed the odds otherwise. That's just how markets and ecosystems work.
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  Daniel Haran

  12 months ago

  If we reduce this to a lottery, failure is useless. In this case Phil learned a lot, and he won't do things the same way. No doubt there will be fewer founders next time, and one of them will have technical expertise. He'll do more market research, and know his target market has money and will be repeat customers.
  
  His odds for next time went up.
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  Ben Yoskovitz

  12 months ago

  @Stanley - thanks for commenting, but I'm in agreement with Daniel. The failure of MyCarpoolStation rests in large proportion on Phil's shoulders. If you read his post, he understands that completely and has learned a great deal from it.
  
  It is possible for businesses to fail due to outside circumstances - say a recession - but generally, one should look inward for who to blame. The key is while Phil may blame himself and his partners, it's not the job of everyone else in the startup ecosystem to blame or look down on him. That was my point.
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  Adrian

  12 months ago

  If you look down on failure then it's likely you look up to success. But, failure is a relative term judged according to certain criteria. I look at those that have 'succeeded' in a conventional sense as some of the most complete failures!
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  Martin Dufort

  12 months ago

  Hey Ben:
  
  One of your best post that clearly explains the failure situation and how you can get the best of it.
  
  Thanks - Martin
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  Stanley Miller

  12 months ago

  Guys (and gals) don't be fooled by the drawing. You should view everything in terms of rate-of-return and markets. That's all the matters. Phil participated in a market (transportation) in which, just like all markets, there are only a finite number of opportunities and return available. The market size and shape are driven by many economic factors outside of one's control. Just like in the stock-market, best returns are achieved when you have some "inside" information. Otherwise, you're basically gambling.
  
  Professional investors hedge their bets. Why should it be any different for the entrepreneur? Entrepreneurs can hedge with information and relationships. You achieve your insider status by working in an industry and making friends. Otherwise you're hoping to get lucky.
  
  Operationally, Phil made mistakes and he'll learn from them. There is a formula to this "entrepreneur" thing and dusting yourself off and trying again is not it. Get a job, learn your industry, and meets lots of people. Then when you recognize a gap where the market is being underserved that's your time to pounce! And if you've done your networking, you'll have plenty of friends ready to support you. After all, you understand their needs the best.
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  Philippe

  12 months ago

  Well, thanks for the support. Failure stings, no doubt. Especially when you're a wannabe perfectionist, like I am at times. You're 1000% right when you say "I’m not quite sure failure should be a badge of honor — after all, you still failed…". I mean, it's more like the Scarlet Letter than a badge of honour, haha.
  Indeed, I have failed into turning MyCarpoolStation.com into a profitable, sustainable business. I have only succeeded in gaining business/technology experience, realizing the long term importance of a business/technology focus, and getting into an MBA program. I'm 24 yrs old; I'll live.
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  Denis Canuel

  12 months ago

  Great post Ben.
  
  I read Phil's blog and took many mental notes. You can't learn to ride a bicycle without falling a few times. If you don't then you're just lucky or damn good. Most people will fall, some even AFTER they learned to ride.
  
  Some people will laugh at you when you fail. However these people rarely take initiatives like Phil did. They would rather work at Mcdonald's and one must learn to ignore them even though it's very hard. If you think that you did the right thing then no one can make you change your true belief.
  
  @Daniel: nice way of seeing this. It's kinda true. We're looking for the golden ticket and we don't know when (or if) we'll even get it.
  
  We need to keep trying. Failing to keep trying is not an option! Hang in there phil!
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  shane

  12 months ago

  @Phil - thanks for writing that. It makes me wonder - is there a successful case of a primarily technical company like a SAS that succeeded without any technical co-founder?
  
  Also - if you liked the article and haven't dugg it yet - do it now - its a good one and ben deserves a bump.
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  Philippe

  12 months ago

  Cool to see so many responses.
  
  @ Stanley- I do agree with what you are saying in terms of networking. It's what my uncle is doing at mailitsafe.com.
  @ Ben- Thanks for the support (but I agree, failure is still failure!)
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  Ben Yoskovitz

  12 months ago

  @Stanley - Your "formula" is not a bad one for starting a business: Know your industry, work in it, build relationships, and then find a gap in the market. But it's not the only way of starting and building a successful business.
  
  @Philippe - I'd say you gained more than most at your stage in the game. And failure isn't a Scarlet Letter - that's precisely what we, as a culture, and a startup community, have to avoid.
  
  Failure is failure - if we sugarcoat it and pretend it's "all nice and pretty, like dancing through a field of flowers" we don't learn properly from it. You can't whitewash failure. But at the same time, failure doesn't make you a pariah. It doesn't make you an outcast. It doesn't mean you're incapable of success (quite the opposite.)
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  DwayneLattimore.com

  12 months ago

  Many people should learn from their failures! Too many of us are so concerned with failing that we don't take the time to enjoy the businesses that we own! There's not one successful business owner who started from the ground up that could tell you that they never had hard times! I love this part of the "game" because it filters out all the weaklings!
  
  Dwayne
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  Download Music

  12 months ago

  As a serial failure, please let me share some insights from the inside. The initial reaction when the books start getting to be in the red is disbelief. Start looking for scapegoats, find all external reasons for the disaster. It is after the dust settling down that one starts accepting that one did wrong things and/or did things wrongly! It is at this time that one needs a lot of TLC, not "I told you so" which is what one gets mostly. I have known guys because they did not get the TLC. I think that is the thrust of Ben's arguement with which I totally agree. If entrepreneurship has to flourish, the failures should be nourished to try again.
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  Stanley Miller

  12 months ago

  @Ben I don't agree with your treatment of failure. It's misleading. Would you consider a day-trader who loses all of his money in the market a failure? One who spent months studying charts and graphs and wrote Ajax software he thought would give him an edge? I'd call that person naive. That's not failure. Now, if that same person tries the same foolishness again, now knowing better, then yeah, that's failure.
  
  In developed economies like the the U.S., in which everything is driven by competing investments seeking profit, you simply can't outsmart the market. Cheating could put you in jail. However, you can find inefficiencies and profit from them. This takes years of practice. Phil is off to a good start. Sounds like his Uncle is leveraging his insider knowledge and relationships with Mailitsafe.com. Perhaps his Uncle worked for a legal firm? Or, maybe he has connections to companies that have sensitive data.
  
  Yes, there are other ways to start companies. They are called long-shots. They do come in. And their stories are favorites of the press and media. Everyone likes to cheer the winners. It sells papers and it drives traffic to blogs. What they don't share is the cemetery. That is the graveyard of companies during the same period with the exact same formula that went bust. Nassim Taleb calls this "survivorship bias." He explains this common fallacy in his excellent books "The Black Swan" and earlier work "Fooled By Randomness."
  
  http://www.amazon.com/Fooled-Randomness-Hidden-...
  
  @Phil I know losing 30K certainly stings (sweat equity is heavily discounted and doesn't count for much.) You made mistakes but I don't consider your experience a failure. Repeating the cliché, mistakes are how we learn. It triggers the brain that this information is important and should be stored.
  
  In a way, you probably paid _below_ market rate for the type of accelerated education you received while building MyCarpoolStation.com. Trust me, you won't get that same value from a business school. Also consider that people pay thousands to attend bootcamps and come away with less than a 10th of what you have learned.
  
  When you do attend business school, you'll get more out of it than your fellow students. That's because you have "floating" experience. Floating experience seeks anchor points through instruction. Once coupled with your MBA courses your experience will become knowledge and perspective. (Even more so than you have today as you reflect on what went wrong.) Most of your classmates will receive instruction but have nothing for it to stick to. (Case studies and team projects are poor substitutes.) This highlights the danger of getting an MBA right after an undergrad. Without immediate application ones MBA skills will fade. Phil, I'd say you're on the right track.
  
  Learn to view opportunities in terms of competitive markets and you'll always know where you stand. Best of luck!
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  Michelle Sullivan

  12 months ago

  Thanks Philippe, for being so candid about your startup experience - there's a lot of great insight in your post.
  
  Ben : what a great case study for an eventual Montreal StartUp Camp. Giving Philippe the chance to express his new-found wisdom would be to his credit and show angels and VCs present that he's ready to tackle his next project -- and the community would learn a lot from his trials and tribulations.
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  Denis Canuel

  12 months ago

  Michelle: there is a Blitzweekend coming up in early 2008. It's going to be very similar.
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  Alex

  12 months ago

  One of the great things about the spirit of silicon valley is how unstigmatized we are when we fail. In so many other places and times, you fail in business once, and you are a pariah for all time. Not here, and not now
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  Straight

  12 months ago

  I'm just starting the company on my own and I must say that I was really afraid of failure. But, after reading about some really successful people I’ve realized that, actually, their initial failures were the main reason for their success afterwards. Learning from your mistakes is best way to really learn something because you get to experience it on your own skin. Yet, I’m still afraid of that failure but in less measure.
  
  Anyhow, pretty good article and thanks for sharing this with us.
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  referate

  12 months ago

  I remember before that doing business is an easy job but it seems that on start up it was really difficult to succeed. I have undergone failure a lot of times and thought of stopping myself for doing anything anymore. I feel devastated but after all of the things that happen I learn to value what happens to my life and I get up to the mistakes and learn from my failures. Right now I know am a better person because I learn to stand up for the failures that comes my way.
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  Ben Yoskovitz

  12 months ago

  @StanleyMiller: That day trader failed. Simple as that. He may also be naive - being naive and failing aren't mutually exclusive.
  
  I do agree with your point that Phil got a great education at less than what he might have paid otherwise, and he did it in a way that makes sense - put your feet to the fire and give something a try.
  
  I don't believe the only way to make money is by finding inefficiencies in existing markets either...
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  RJacobsen

  12 months ago

  My partners and I are 6 months into a start-up, and as you noted... even if we fail, the knowledge we've acquired will only make our next venture that little bit easier.
  
  We jumped right into one of the more competitive industries, but we feel confident in our results to date. Your post is very true of our situation and many others.. I imagine.
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  Philippe

  12 months ago

  @Stanley and Ben - There is a difference between selling a product to enterprises vs. individual consumers (or in our case, to both and to neither). When selling to enterprises, yes, insider knowledge and networking are key. When selling to enterprises and/or individual consumers, a good understanding of the user's need and perceived benefit is key.
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  Solomon

  12 months ago

  Hi Ben!
  I learnt a great deal through this article and the
  comments ( experiences of great minds). I want to thank you all for the great sharing!
  Solomon
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  Steve

  11 months ago

  Hi, Whilst I agree with what you are saying, we have just been through an excercise of finding a suitable business consultant to help us with a few areas which we lack skills and experience. To be blunt, if someone had a string of failed businesses behind them I don't think I would be very keen to follow their advice, let alone pay them for it. So whilst I agree that failure is a learing curve and it happens from time to time, in our circumstances finding someone who has been successfull in growing similar businesses is what we needed.
  
  Steve
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  imprinted promotional product

  11 months ago

  nice post ever seen, really informative regarding to failure and how to face the problems with them. this article helps a lot to face the failure in life.
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  Guru

  11 months ago

  Nice post,
  
  But when it comes to stuff like handling failures, nothing you learn beforehand can be helpful, cos' in the end how you react in the moment is important. You might've thought about a proper action plan for handling failures, but 99% of the time the plan you thought up won't be usable for that particular day.
  
  So in the end having a general optimistic outlook should suffice, how much you pre plan about failure handling is immaterial..
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  John Hunter

  11 months ago

  Great post on this interesting topic. Some people think ignoring failure is the right approach. And then you have a group that acts like failure is a great learning opportunity. I think you get it right. Failure stinks. Taking real risks mean risking failure. Taking risks can also result in great success. So we are best off overall if we allow risk takers to take risks and accept that there will be failures.
  
  But also that this reasoning should be understood. Failure under the right circumstances should be avoided but may be a reasonable result. Risky moves and failure in other circumstances should be seen as much worse. All failure is not the same.
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  Jigme Phuntsho

  8 months ago

  True, failure is inevitable!
  Likewise, success is also inevitable if you work hard, put in your 100% and do it at the right time.
  It also needs a touch of luck.
  
  Anyways nice article about failure, esp the the below 4:
  
  Don’t look down on those who fail.
  Don’t pity those who fail.
  Don’t judge those who fail.
  Don’t forget those who fail
  
  Jigme Phuntsho
  bhutan web hosting
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  Sarah, Repossession Stoppers L

  7 months ago

  Another excellent post - which reminds me of something I was told by a very successful business man, which went along the lines of - it takes wisdom and courage to realise a business is a failure and 'fail it', before it fails you.
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  scarlet

  6 months ago

  I'll tell you how I handle failure, by not failing
  
  simple really... unfortunately it never works.
  
  
  I fail at a LOT of things - but i'm hoping that will change now that im almost in my mid 20s.
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  Mike

  5 months ago

  Failure is as much a part of any start up as success. However if everyone starts to fear it, there will be no new businesses and innovations. Those who fear taking the next step never ever move forward. Knowing the reasons behind it and working upon them gives us more chances of a success and a bigger one too. Just found this blog, seems quite interesting to me, bookmarked it to go through it later.
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  Ben Yoskovitz

  5 months ago

  @Mike: Thanks for the comment - hope you stick around...
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  Ann Cummings, Portsmouth NH

  5 months ago

  How one deals with failure speaks volumes about each of us. When I don't succeed at something, I try to figure out why I didn't and then do it differently the next time. Some of the best lessons I've learned have come about because of failing at something the first time, and sometimes even failing at it more than once. Pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and continue on - that's how I was brought up.
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  Pot Roast

  5 months ago

  My friend recently failed his degree - it's spurred him on to become more career focused and i believe he is now destined for success. Having not "failed" prior to reaching college he hadn't had a chance to learn his lesson before hand./... now that he has learnt his lesson he's ready to go
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  Jose

  5 months ago

  Failure sucks, but I agree it should be more of a learning experience in business. You can always turn a failure into a success in business, it just depends on the type of person you are. If affiliate marketing doesn't work out for a person, they can take the skills they learned from it to and apply them to different business project. But always remember this "If at first you don't succeed, try and try again."
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  Tesla

  2 months ago

  I learnt a great deal through this article and the
  comments ( experiences of great minds). I want to thank you all for the great.
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  kristinwhite

  2 months ago

  Ben, I think you're right on the mark that "failure is accepted"...I've worked at a couple of startups, and heard stories of other startup experiences, and I can tell you that so many people's amazing careers have been launched by failed startups! Around Silicon Valley, nobody cares if the last startup you did flopped...all they care about is your experience, and what you know...and you can learn just as much, if not more, from a failed startup experience.
  
  So fabulous that you're using Disqus...I just interviewed their CEO last weekend, and I'm a total convert! It's time to set up an account...
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  Benjamin Yoskovitz

  2 months ago

  Kristin - Thanks for stopping by and commenting, hope to see you back again soon.
  
  I think the Silicon Valley culture around failure really can help people take a bit more risk, jump into the deep end, fail and then brush themselves off to try again. No one gets a "free" pass and no one is going to be able to start too many failed startups without people starting to question their ability, but there's definitely more leeway around failure. And I think more startup ecosystems need to operate that way.
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  Steve

  2 months ago

  Thanks for the article. In my opinion, there's failure and then there's failure because you didn't give it your all. Many entrepreneurs cut loose too early because their business is headed in the wrong direction. In more cases than not, you can often right the ship with a little persistence and some good timing.
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  Justin Wright

  1 month ago

  I agree with steve. I think the only true form of failure is never trying in the first place. If you try something and give it your all but don't succeed, it isn't really a failure. It's more of a learning experience on what to try the next time around.
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